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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2270</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a believer, I am still at a quandry concerning how to integrate being led by the Holy Spirit, and common sense.

I need an epiphany concerning this.  I am glad you got yours.  It gives me hope.  Because, this same struggle has been tripping me up for some time now.  You must feel like a ton of bricks has been lifted off of you, and are experiencing a sense of freedom that you have seldom or never felt before. I am happy for you.

Often, I am too tired to do the mental exercise that you described in order to get quiet and hear that &quot;still small voice&quot;.  I am practicing with (just doing nothing) until the quietness comes or i fall asleep. All i do is thought stop like you describe.  I don&#039;t insert any words, however it if it works do it- I just say this, in case you tire. 

It isn&#039;t easy.  To really get the peace I feel like I need in my life on a consistent basis, I estimate that I would need to do this about 4 hours a day.  Maybe, my brain is wired weird.  Who knows.  But, I think it is worth the time.

Sometimes the relaxation and peace comes in 20 minutes for me, but usually it takes hours.  but that is ok, because without that peace- my life is a roller coaster.  so, if it it takes 4 hours, it takes 4 hours. However, it takes a lot of discipline to do actually nothing but thought stop and lie still and wait for the epiphany/relaxation for hours at a time. I think Psalm 40:1 talks about this.

The Christian integrating meditation still concerns me at a doctrinal level.  I think the term waiting for the Lord is more doctrinal, however it sounds corny and super spiritual- who cares- if I can get quiet and find peace that comes from him without slipping into non-Christian practices and doctrine-  I don&#039;t care what it is called.

After I get the epiphany- I will be able to make more sense in trying to explain about this.

Again, I am glad you got yours.  Please pray that i can get mine.  I am actually feeling pretty miserable without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a believer, I am still at a quandry concerning how to integrate being led by the Holy Spirit, and common sense.</p>
<p>I need an epiphany concerning this.  I am glad you got yours.  It gives me hope.  Because, this same struggle has been tripping me up for some time now.  You must feel like a ton of bricks has been lifted off of you, and are experiencing a sense of freedom that you have seldom or never felt before. I am happy for you.</p>
<p>Often, I am too tired to do the mental exercise that you described in order to get quiet and hear that &#8220;still small voice&#8221;.  I am practicing with (just doing nothing) until the quietness comes or i fall asleep. All i do is thought stop like you describe.  I don&#8217;t insert any words, however it if it works do it- I just say this, in case you tire. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t easy.  To really get the peace I feel like I need in my life on a consistent basis, I estimate that I would need to do this about 4 hours a day.  Maybe, my brain is wired weird.  Who knows.  But, I think it is worth the time.</p>
<p>Sometimes the relaxation and peace comes in 20 minutes for me, but usually it takes hours.  but that is ok, because without that peace- my life is a roller coaster.  so, if it it takes 4 hours, it takes 4 hours. However, it takes a lot of discipline to do actually nothing but thought stop and lie still and wait for the epiphany/relaxation for hours at a time. I think Psalm 40:1 talks about this.</p>
<p>The Christian integrating meditation still concerns me at a doctrinal level.  I think the term waiting for the Lord is more doctrinal, however it sounds corny and super spiritual- who cares- if I can get quiet and find peace that comes from him without slipping into non-Christian practices and doctrine-  I don&#8217;t care what it is called.</p>
<p>After I get the epiphany- I will be able to make more sense in trying to explain about this.</p>
<p>Again, I am glad you got yours.  Please pray that i can get mine.  I am actually feeling pretty miserable without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine Things I Learned From Guest Posting on Michael Hyatt&#8217;s Blog &#171; Shrinking the Camel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nine Things I Learned From Guest Posting on Michael Hyatt&#8217;s Blog &#171; Shrinking the Camel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Challenge: But I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;Be still!&#8221; &#124; kellylangston.com on Meditation for (Christian)&#160;DummiesMaureen on Middle-SchooledMichael Holmes on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Challenge: But I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;Be still!&#8221; | kellylangston.com on Meditation for (Christian)&nbsp;DummiesMaureen on Middle-SchooledMichael Holmes on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Authenticity Challenge: But I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;Be still!&#8221; &#124; kellylangston.com</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>Authenticity Challenge: But I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;Be still!&#8221; &#124; kellylangston.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read an article about Christian meditation.  It involves focusing on ONE aspect o God.  Because I have been so desiring to know what God is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shrinkingthecamel</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2212</link>
		<dc:creator>shrinkingthecamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot the link for &quot;A Tasteful Examination of Using Salty Language&quot; http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/04/22/a-tasteful-examination-of-using-salty-language/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot the link for &#8220;A Tasteful Examination of Using Salty Language&#8221; <a href="http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/04/22/a-tasteful-examination-of-using-salty-language/" rel="nofollow">http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/04/22/a-tasteful-examination-of-using-salty-language/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shrinkingthecamel</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2211</link>
		<dc:creator>shrinkingthecamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course a believer can say that - and more! It&#039;s how we talk. Check out my post &quot;A Tasteful Examination of the use of Salty Language.&quot; 

Stu and Jesse - I appreciate you guys dropping in and putting up with such a lengthy commentary on the meditation subject. I am still working at it, trying to spend 5-20 minutes, most days. It&#039;s been a good routine for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course a believer can say that &#8211; and more! It&#8217;s how we talk. Check out my post &#8220;A Tasteful Examination of the use of Salty Language.&#8221; </p>
<p>Stu and Jesse &#8211; I appreciate you guys dropping in and putting up with such a lengthy commentary on the meditation subject. I am still working at it, trying to spend 5-20 minutes, most days. It&#8217;s been a good routine for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Fewell</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Fewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can a believer actually SAY &quot;God would kick my ass&quot;? ;)  Great post. I find that life is riddled with paradoxes like &quot;active surrender&quot;. Your story encourages me to try a similar attitude and approach to meditation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a believer actually SAY &#8220;God would kick my ass&#8221;? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Great post. I find that life is riddled with paradoxes like &#8220;active surrender&#8221;. Your story encourages me to try a similar attitude and approach to meditation.</p>
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		<title>By: Wandering prayers</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Wandering prayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meditation for (Christian) Dummies from Shrinking the Camel: I’ve never meditated like that before, although I do try to find a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stu@themarryblogger</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu@themarryblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad - 

Just found your blog from Michael Hyatt&#039;s blog this morning. This is a terrific post - and something that I have been thinking about myself... even reading some &quot;Zen Christian&quot; books to try and figure it all out! But what you have suggested sounds so simple (not easy!). Thanks for sharing your experience. I look forward to reading more of your blog.

stu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad &#8211; </p>
<p>Just found your blog from Michael Hyatt&#8217;s blog this morning. This is a terrific post &#8211; and something that I have been thinking about myself&#8230; even reading some &#8220;Zen Christian&#8221; books to try and figure it all out! But what you have suggested sounds so simple (not easy!). Thanks for sharing your experience. I look forward to reading more of your blog.</p>
<p>stu</p>
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		<title>By: Six Ways to Take a Micro-Sabbatical</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Six Ways to Take a Micro-Sabbatical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can ease your anxiety, reduce stress, and open the mental windows to higher spiritual thoughts. Don’t expect meditation to be easy. It’s a discipline that requires practice, patience and silence. But the lift you receive may turn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shrinkingthecamel</title>
		<link>http://shrinkingthecamel.com/2009/07/16/meditation-for-christian-dummies-5/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>shrinkingthecamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys - Thanks for taking the time to read the WHOLE thing.  I hope it helps you in some way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys &#8211; Thanks for taking the time to read the WHOLE thing.  I hope it helps you in some way&#8230;</p>
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